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Here's a notion I kept seeing pop up in that theforce.net thread that I find irritating: Rey can't have a romance with the bad guy because *gasp* think of the children! *Gasp* What will I tell my daughter who is looking up to her? So two points here: A. There are many examples of male heroes who have sexual/romantic subplot with female villains in comics and there is not a complaint when this gender dynamic is in play. B. I have a daughter. You know what I'm going to tell her? In real life honey, bad boys are for fun only. There, problem solved.

I wonder why they have to post anything. On other boards mods don't interfere at all and that's much better,unless they are forums like this one,where everyone feels comfortable with the rest.
In fact, when I see their avatars I feel uneasy,they make me feel uncomfortable.

I feel like going there and post:

I forgive whoever I want.

Hi, guys!

That's exactly what is happening. SW's fandoms, like so many other fandoms on the Internet, used to be a sort of haven for the ultimate geeky dudebros, so when other sorts of fans started swarming their sanctuary, they got annoyed first, and then really pissed. Not all guys are like that, thanks God, but there are far too many in fandom.

In other fandoms they treated female fans exactly the same way or even worse.

They also ridicule Tumblr saying it is just for crazy fangirls. But they are wrong, there's a bit of everything on Tumlbr, including very insightful meta. And anyway, what happens if people want to fangirl? The are entitled to doing whatever they want, as long as they respect others.

These guys don't want to educate us, they just want to drive us out, or disperse us, so that our voices get diluted in other threads. 

As someone has said some posts before, guys may like whatever they like, anything, whereas those girls who like Twilight or 50 Shades of Grey are demonized, or worse, looked down on or made fun of.

Well, I haven't read 50 Shades or have seen or read Twilight myself. They are not my cup of tea and I think they are poor quality, forgive me if any of you are fans, but this is how I see them. However, I would never shame anyone or make fun of anyone who likes them. Who am I to tell anybody what they should like?

And what about this moralistic nonsense telling us what kind of male fictional characters we should like? What's that? That's paternalistic and disrespectful. 
I don't need any guy telling me what's better for me, thank you very much. And I can distinguish fiction from reality perfectly well, as all of us here and there on the thread. In the old days, when women weren't even allowed to vote, it was believed that women shouldn't read too much because their minds were weak and couldn't tell the difference between fiction and reality. Well, it seems we haven't advanced enough in this respect. The central idea is always the same, control, trying to control women. And controlling our imaginations is the ultimate goal.

So, girls, you have to choose a NICE guy, which means one dudebros can identify with, because if you choose a different type of guy,and in this case a really sexy one, you can be sure he must be bad for you. Sexy guys are all bad, it is known! While a nice guy you don't feel attracted too is exactly what you need, yeah! That's the receipt for a happy life together, choose someone you have 0 chemistry with. 

And who is nice? A guy has to decide for you, because they know better. In this case it's clear Kylo  is most dangerous, he is bad news, I agree, but we expect him to come back to the right path,that's why we ship Reylo. This has nothing to do with RL and we are not thinking of sending letters to criminals in jail. And whatever we decide, it is our live and our imagination, not  theirs. But they won't let us have the party in peace.

Oddly enough, I think that a love of redemption stories (especially ones about men being redeemed) can be a safe way for women imagining that there could be forgiveness for our own flaws and sins. It's so abhorrent to culture to imagine that women can be bad, sinful, sexual, naughty, angry, and messed up that those characteristics are displaced onto a male character. The positive characteristics--the ones that it is safe for women to admit to having--are embodied in the heroine.

Thus, when the bad guy is redeemed and joined with the heroine, it isn't about how women like bad guys. It's a fantasy of women accepting the dark impulses within themselves and integrating those culturally-hated aspects of their psyche with the ones we are allowed to acknowledge.

That would be why most fans of redemption stories don't chase after bad boys in real life. Because it's actually not a fantasy about potential sexual and romantic partners. It's a fantasy about self-realization (in a sexy, romantic, safe package with nice hair and kissable lips).

They told you that you couldn't be involved?!!!!!!! I don't understand that.  You've been on the board for a while.

I also absolutely hear you on everything else.  I am very glad we have this board, but everyone is scattered and Mr. Dick Chorus is hovering like a freakin vulture!  Yeah, and reeducation is the word.  Maybe they can get their Little Red Book out while they're at it, the one with the chapter that says "Troglodyte Men and Shamer Women Tell Individual and Empowered and Diverse Women and Men How To Think Appropriately." Ugh!