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Post by annlouise on Mar 25, 2016 16:20:12 GMT
annlouise Oh, I meant in the forum I created yesterday ^^' Oh, now I getit. |
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Post by berhan on Mar 25, 2016 16:21:20 GMT
annlouise Oh, I meant in the forum I created yesterday ^^' could you please repost the link? guys, please hold me from snapping at C. jagular. This is sexism. Here it is: the-blinding-light.skyforum.net |
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Post by spacebaby on Mar 25, 2016 16:21:35 GMT
Hi everyone, Joining the bitter club :-) Actually, I had time to cool off a bit. I agree with Anne Neville that it might be better to not start putting out names. You know, unless something really terrible happened (like real life stuff), you might one day regret what you posted on a public forum. I don't want to sound like I am lecturing, but in my professional life I did write some e-mails (they are not public, but still can be forwarded to other people) and realized afterwards that I should have thought it through, but once it's out there, it's out of your control. I honestly think that the last rounds of posts against the mods were a bit much and as a mod, I would have gotten pissed off too. But there were bad calls being made too from their side. And I only saw yesterday that some mods post their opinions in the Redemption thread and I was quite shocked by this. In my book you are either a mod or a poster. Can't work both sides. That annoyed me more than the thread getting locked. Still, I don't want to hold a grudge against them. Some might just have a bad day or time. Nobody's perfect. I'll wait and see how it continues. Some ground rules are needed and maybe if we keep our cool, it will be better and go smoothly. And if the conspiracy theory is true, we need to stay there ;-) I will probably stay in the JC forum and just take a look here once in a while. I cannot handle 2 forums. I have certain decisions to take in real life and finding ways to avoid it is not going to help in the long run. But then Kylo Ren and his redemption is nearly a personal topic for me so I won't help coming back to whatever forum discusses it in a non-judgmental way. Speaking of Kylo, Brian Kesinger really loves lil'Kylo. I do not know how many Calvin & Hobbes style cartoons he made, but I think most of them are lil'Kylo related. You can really see that Kylo is the important character right now, bearing the legacy of OT. The latest cartoon is funny -> lil'kylo going through Leia's closet. I don't know how to include a picture so here is the link: Oh my little Kylo is shocked, confused or just not having it? A little bit of each? EDIT: oh wow, the picture actually shows. I thought only the link would show. |
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Post by frared on Mar 25, 2016 16:28:56 GMT
annlouise Oh, I meant in the forum I created yesterday ^^' could you please repost the link? guys, please hold me from snapping at C. jagular. This is sexism. please go and snap away. i no longer have any reservations. (i do actually but i would also sincerely like to smash furniture with my light sabre right now.) |
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Post by meadowofashes on Mar 25, 2016 16:34:18 GMT
Thanks! Keep thinking maybe I should write a full length meta called The Dudebro, The Niceguy Nerd and the Problem of Kylo Ren, see how many of 'em I can piss off!  |
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Post by blackisthecolor on Mar 25, 2016 16:42:20 GMT
could you please repost the link? guys, please hold me from snapping at C. jagular. This is sexism. please go and snap away. i no longer have any reservations. (i do actually but i would also sincerely like to smash furniture with my light sabre right now.) I'm gonna mod the mod! |
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Post by anneneville on Mar 25, 2016 16:53:08 GMT
Here's a notion I kept seeing pop up in that theforce.net thread that I find irritating: Rey can't have a romance with the bad guy because *gasp* think of the children! *Gasp* What will I tell my daughter who is looking up to her? So two points here: A. There are many examples of male heroes who have sexual/romantic subplot with female villains in comics and there is not a complaint when this gender dynamic is in play. B. I have a daughter. You know what I'm going to tell her? In real life honey, bad boys are for fun only. There, problem solved. It also misses the point that the redeemable bad boys have consciences and only get the happy ending when they turn to the right side. I love redemption stories because they are about me. I love my husband because he is one of the most brave and ethical, generous and nice guys I have ever met. |
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Post by anneneville on Mar 25, 2016 16:55:03 GMT
please go and snap away. i no longer have any reservations. (i do actually but i would also sincerely like to smash furniture with my light sabre right now.) I'm gonna mod the mod! Have I missed something? |
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Post by reynak on Mar 25, 2016 16:58:35 GMT
Yeah, I'm tired of these "nice guys",really. A nice guy is not what's better for us,but what's better for them, I mean,they want the guy they identify with get the girl, that's all. We don't know who Rey wants, but I think we know who she doesn't want, and she doesn't want Finn. He is nice, funny, brave, whatever you like but she is not attracted to him. End of discussion. The same happens in other fandoms and in some cases the girl wants a man in particular, the subtext, or even the text show she is attracted to one. Well, they don't care, because they say the girl should be with these dudebros' favourite character, who is NICE, while the other is abusive. Usually,the "bad boy" the girls is attracted to is either athletic and really strong (like a jock) or he is sensitive, artistic, with nice long hair, a musician or something like that. The idea is that neither of these types of guys represents the "nice"-guy-geeks and SW's forums are full of them. They get pissed because every girl dreams with a badass warrior or a sensitive guy with an artistic soul rather than with your everyday nerdy dude. Dreams are fantasies and we want to dream with pirates and guys who can do anything for love, just like the dream with Lara Croft or any other sexy fictional girl. We deal with it, but they refuse to deal with it. Well, we may never have our own pirate but at least we can dream a girl can dream. Pirates would be a nisance in RL after all, and Han Solo is one example. Incredibly charming but not so good husband or father material. I love Han, but it is true. Anyway, as you say above, nerdies aren't always all that nice either. As for Adam Driver, he is not conventionally attractive, but he is intriguing, just as you said. When I saw a picture of him for the first time I thought he was ugly and now I think he is extremely sexy. His face is special and you can't stop looking at him, that is a very interesting face,which is much better that your typical Ken-face hottie as regards sex appeal. You look at him because you are not sure what to make of him. The fact is that you feel that he is attractive but he doesn't conform to the established rules the media imposes. And what's more, the more you look at him,the more attractive he seems in all respects. If we add that deep voice and the unasuming, shy vulnerable vibe he emits, so endearing when combined with his tall and strong body, he is very appealing indeed. |
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Post by moonlitmoss on Mar 25, 2016 17:41:46 GMT
Just a heads up, that place is notorious for being a mess. It's always been the way it is now. The blatant sexism that was allowed used to be off the charts. I know some people feel like they have to stay, but I'm with Berhan. If we grow our own forum, other fans will find us. We can also invite them. For me, I'm a snark and KO type person, and I don't know how much longer I can take the sexist and condescending remarks, lack of objectivity and obvious bias, and rules that only apply to some and not all. You know what the obvious answer to all of the recent drama was? If members aren't following the rules or reporting too much or whatever...PM them and give them a warning or a 24hr ban. It is that simple. No need to hijack threads, group all posters together, infer and broadcast that we aren't all individuals with individual opinions, and follow posters around to other threads to continue to scold them and call them out for well-meaning posts. Welcoming to all fans? Yeah, I think not. They just want to bait and ban posters at this point.
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Post by meadowofashes on Mar 25, 2016 17:44:27 GMT
Here's a notion I kept seeing pop up in that theforce.net thread that I find irritating: Rey can't have a romance with the bad guy because *gasp* think of the children! *Gasp* What will I tell my daughter who is looking up to her? So two points here: A. There are many examples of male heroes who have sexual/romantic subplot with female villains in comics and there is not a complaint when this gender dynamic is in play. B. I have a daughter. You know what I'm going to tell her? In real life honey, bad boys are for fun only. There, problem solved. It also misses the point that the redeemable bad boys have consciences and only get the happy ending when they turn to the right side. I love redemption stories because they are about me. I love my husband because he is one of the most brave and ethical, generous and nice guys I have ever met. Yes! So much this! Hero/villain or anti-villain/anti-hero dynamic, especially in the fantasy and fairy tale world is almost always about Ego/Shadow integration from Jungian psychology. When I walked out of the theatre I identified with Rey. She's the hero, the Ego character. Her story was my 2015 - stuck in the junkyard of my past, unwilling to move forward while being handed the opportunity for something greater than I'd imagined. When she finally stopped running away and picked up the legacy lightsaber and the Force theme began, my heart sang. Her story resonates because it's our collective story - we all find ourselves in this type of position at some point in life. At that time, I did not feel much sympathy for Kylo. I'm 30 and have loved Star Wars since I was 5, and Han Solo was my favorite character as a kid (I love Princess Leia more as an adult  so like everyone else I said screw that guy for killing my beloved character. I felt Rey's rage when she attacked him. I had to take a step back and put the movie down for a couple months so that I could read the novel with fresh eyes and objectivity. So I did. Then rewatched Kylo's scenes to compare to the book. And that's when I fell in love with Ben Solo, because Kylo/Ben was also my 2015. How many times did I react to my circumstances with anger and a feeling of being torn apart while desperately seeking understanding yet thinking it was "too late"? Kylo/Ben is the Shadow the Ego must integrate, the being surrounded in Darkness who the Light wants back, and in the Star Wars universe that means through love and compassion, whether that is romantic love or not. I want Ben Solo saved through the power of love and compassion because it's symbolic of my own as well as the collective consciousness's attainment of wholeness. |
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Post by frared on Mar 25, 2016 17:48:08 GMT
i saw a comment that said something like, oh but kylo did nothing wrong! he's so adorbz! ... which i assume is about my avatar? |
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Post by anneneville on Mar 25, 2016 18:11:07 GMT
i saw a comment that said something like, oh but kylo did nothing wrong! he's so adorbz! ... which i assume is about my avatar? Nah, Chorus was making a lighthearted remark in response to my argument that people forgive Han all his crimes because he's good looking, just like people are saying we're forgiving Kylo his because he's good looking. It was not intended to be trolling, it was a gentle ribbing. |
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Post by blackisthecolor on Mar 25, 2016 18:23:43 GMT
i saw a comment that said something like, oh but kylo did nothing wrong! he's so adorbz! ... which i assume is about my avatar? Nah, Chorus was making a lighthearted remark in response to my argument that people forgive Han all his crimes because he's good looking, just like people are saying we're forgiving Kylo his because he's good looking. It was not intended to be trolling, it was a gentle ribbing. nah, he's no new to this remarks. he's ridiculing us. "Yes. Sometimes the atrocious behavior of others is overlooked if those people are good looking." "This is fairly well telegraphed: If he is the subject of romantic projections, his abhorrent behavior is a of little consequence compared to his superadorableness." |
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Post by missg on Mar 25, 2016 18:24:25 GMT
I know it's been said before, but I'm just now beginning to realize how many lurkers there are on that thread. Over 10000 views and it's only been created yesterday! By comparison the photo threat only has 12000 and it's been around for a month and Finnrey thread has near to 20000 and it's been there for nearly two weeks! I wonder if by now Reylo has surpassed the stormpilot by the number of followers.  |
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so like everyone else I said screw that guy for killing my beloved character. I felt Rey's rage when she attacked him. I had to take a step back and put the movie down for a couple months so that I could read the novel with fresh eyes and objectivity. So I did. Then rewatched Kylo's scenes to compare to the book. And that's when I fell in love with Ben Solo, because Kylo/Ben was also my 2015. How many times did I react to my circumstances with anger and a feeling of being torn apart while desperately seeking understanding yet thinking it was "too late"? Kylo/Ben is the Shadow the Ego must integrate, the being surrounded in Darkness who the Light wants back, and in the Star Wars universe that means through love and compassion, whether that is romantic love or not. I want Ben Solo saved through the power of love and compassion because it's symbolic of my own as well as the collective consciousness's attainment of wholeness.
