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Post by anneneville on Mar 25, 2016 14:36:24 GMT
I hope that once we get the anger out of our systems from what happened on JCF we can take a deep breath and be kind towards people, even if we feel they've done us wrong. Talking about the mods by name (or close enough) or about other posters by name and allusion can only worsen hostility, IMHO, and make people feel unwelcome and this group clique-y. I have complained loudly in closed forums, but this is an open one which is sort of different.
Same with talking about the actors' characters/personalities. Unless we have firsthand knowledge of the actors, it's all heresy. The actors are real people with real lives and struggles and it is important to remember that and be compassionate.
I will never forget the look on a certain famous actor's face (I worked with him) when he saw one of his coworkers reading a tabloid article about his love life and divorce. Real people, real pain. :-\
I'm very glad to have this site, however.
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Post by frared on Mar 25, 2016 14:38:38 GMT
That's certainly how it comes across to me. There seems to be an impression that Reylo shippers ship Reylo because Twilight, because 50 Shades of Grey, because "bad boys" are sexy and disturbed women like us send love letters to serial killers in prison, and nothing we do or say can change that impression. Nothing we say, none of our complex analyses, our hopes for redemption, or waxing poetic about the exciting and empowering aspects of the Reylo dynamic, etc. gets through that brick wall. I've noticed it so many times already. They don't just misunderstand our point of view; they refuse to accept it. They've categorised us as silly women who swoon over bad boys, and they don't want to consider the possibility that we might have any real point beyond that blind love for bad boys. The intelligent analysis probably drives them nuts because it flies in the face of that categorisation. I don't know where they think male Reylo shippers fit in. (Not to mention that even if the appeal of Reylo isn't dark romance, it seems odd to compare those who genuinely do enjoy dark romance to crazy women who send love letters to serial killers. To say nothing of Twilight. Yeah, the central dynamic of Twilight was a bit off in my opinion, but it was a hugely popular series for teenagers. It wasn't torture porn or anything genuinely disturbing: it was just a fantasy YA series about sparkly vampires. The moral panic about it being dangerous to young girls' imaginations is so hilarious to me.) Oddly enough, I think that a love of redemption stories (especially ones about men being redeemed) can be a safe way for women imagining that there could be forgiveness for our own flaws and sins. It's so abhorrent to culture to imagine that women can be bad, sinful, sexual, naughty, angry, and messed up that those characteristics are displaced onto a male character. The positive characteristics--the ones that it is safe for women to admit to having--are embodied in the heroine. Thus, when the bad guy is redeemed and joined with the heroine, it isn't about how women like bad guys. It's a fantasy of women accepting the dark impulses within themselves and integrating those culturally-hated aspects of their psyche with the ones we are allowed to acknowledge. That would be why most fans of redemption stories don't chase after bad boys in real life. Because it's actually not a fantasy about potential sexual and romantic partners. It's a fantasy about self-realization (in a sexy, romantic, safe package with nice hair and kissable lips). the brick wall. i can feel it again. it's hard. it's amazing though because our longer posts never got picked up. none of the trolls actually ever engaged with the discussion, they always seemed to pick up a smaller post and pick on it. berhan i don't like a seperate social thread either. i think what they could have done is actually move our thread to community oif it bothered them and then move it back to the film forum when the new one came out. |
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Post by berhan on Mar 25, 2016 14:41:30 GMT
frared You're right, that's what they should have done. But is the locking really definitive? It still sticks in my throat.
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Post by force22 on Mar 25, 2016 14:45:54 GMT
Again, I think the idea is just to tone down on the fan art. It's ok to post it. It's not ok for people to reply a bunch of times to the fan art. I think it's really fine. As to the chaotic, social nature of the thread, why not create another community thread in the JCF? It has been suggested a number of times. i hear you and i respect you and all that good stuff. i feel personally that shutting the thread down was about how we conducted our 'business' in there. it was unnecessary. that is my problem. i do not for a single second believe that it was the amount of people replying to fanart that was a problem. if it was, it was NEVER mentioned to us. NEVER once. what was mentioned is that we should be respectful about other povs.. which i think we were most of the time. and i don't have personal grief wrt fanart, like, i love some of it etc etc, but it seems like they are making rules especially for us. like we are being targeted. and i feel that this is not the spirit of the boards as i used to know them. i have once before been part of an offshoot board, it was disgruntled people (sigh) who were feeling that they were unfairly targeted because they thought mace windu had won the duel. (long story) ... anyway, maybe i'll cool down eventually, but at the moment i'm very unhappy because they took a place that i loved away and for no reasons that actually make sense to me. and basically replaced it with the same. for no reason. I don't know... I think feeling treated unfairly is what got the thread locked. Darth Ch whatever posted some rules, that are the same for other threads, even if they are not enforced, and we all protested, including me. Protesting in the thread clogs the thread and etc. That was the reason it was locked. And defying authority. I guess they wanted to show us who's the boss. And yeah, I get that it's super annoying. I agree nobody was never once warned about fan art or excessive amount of pics, and also, for the most part, everyone collaborated and followed the forum rules. Still, like I wrote before, the Finn thread was also locked. I'm not sure there is such a bias. I mean, sure, there is, but if we start feeling like victims, that's a problem too. Lately, there was a lot of complaining about each and every mod warning, and I bet that it is annoying. I say let's not be grumpy and think they are targeting us. I think the first post of the new thread is respectful and well worded. And, again, it's the chance for an even more solid new thread. Also, there are a few interesting discussions in other threads. |
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Post by annlouise on Mar 25, 2016 14:46:55 GMT
Hi everybody...I joined a while back but got busy with some work so couldn't drop by till now....I've been watching all the horrid stuff happening on the jedi council forums  I have a feeling that the mods and regulars are upset because our old thread stood out as the most viewed and they must have been worried that tptb will see it and it will influence the story (dumb people....the story was written long back)....especially with all the reveals increasingly pointing at reylo....but I feel we should be at least slightly active on JCF....a lot of people who support reylo come to that forum looking for others....we shouldn't abandon them....I myself came to the JCF via a google search....maybe after a day or so, the mods will leave us alone...I suggest we take our better posts from the old thread and post it in the new one....scatter it around not to raise suspicion.....so that nee reylos can access the info....it is a wealth of info and shouldn't be lost...that would be a tragedy....phew...I've said a lot....speech over...  I wish I knew which were my best posts so I could tweak and repost! The only one I remember was the Gothic lit quotes. It's a bit intimidating, going through hundreds of pages to find stuff to post in the ew thread at tfn (or overhere). |
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Post by annlouise on Mar 25, 2016 14:48:35 GMT
I hope that once we get the anger out of our systems from what happened on JCF we can take a deep breath and be kind towards people, even if we feel they've done us wrong. Talking about the mods by name (or close enough) or about other posters by name and allusion can only worsen hostility, IMHO, and make people feel unwelcome and this group clique-y. I have complained loudly in closed forums, but this is an open one which is sort of different. Same with talking about the actors' characters. Unless we have firsthand knowledge of the actors, it's all heresy. The actors are real people with real lives and struggles and it is important to remember that and be compassionate. I will never forget the look on a certain famous actor's face (I worked with him) when he saw one of his coworkers reading a tabloid article about his love life and divorce. Real people, real pain. :-\ I'm very glad to have this site, however. Great to see you here, AnneNeville! |
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Post by reynak on Mar 25, 2016 14:50:47 GMT
Maybe we could index the old JCF Reylo thread (so we don't lose everything we've analysed since TFA's release) and start again in a place we could call "our own"? A place where we could keep our work safe? That's what came to my mind... I don't see myself contributing again to the 2.0 thread (as said before, enthusiasm = 0) and the idea of a Fan club on JCF doesn't really appeal to me :/ I'm not in for the fanclub idea either, this is exactly what those guys wanted, to make us look like silly fangirls drooling over AD and acting like obsessive Reylo shippers. Relegating us to a corner in fanclub for girls, that's what the want. I wouldn't like to make it so easy for them. They don't even deserve the great meta that is contained in the old thread. It attracs a lot of people and they don't deserve to get new members thanks to the Reylo thread after how they treated it and the people on it. |
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Post by frared on Mar 25, 2016 14:52:28 GMT
frared You're right, that's what they should have done. But is the locking really definitive? It still sticks in my throat. same here. i think the lock is definitive. and it's not explained well and i refuse to not be angry about it. it's never happened to me before, not on tf.net and i've never been banned. i know i'm sarcastic and i know i get borderline bannable but i can't feel that they are being fair. not to us. and i feel that it's a female thing as well. so force22 it will take time. that's the best i can do right now. |
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Post by spacebaby on Mar 25, 2016 14:55:58 GMT
I know... But I guess the best thing is to ignore snarky comments. I agree mods should lead by example, but whatever, they are human. But you know what? I'm actually thinking a new thread is a good idea! The discussion is circular anyways. Old themes will be picked up. In the old thread, the first 50 to 100 pages or so were just meant to establish that yes, there were romantic undertones and tones, and yes, the potential for a romantic arc is totally there! Ok, it was fun, a lot of collective brainstorming, I think it influenced opinions. People changed their minds from trash ship to real possibility. The new thread starts from a different point of view, that some kind of romantic arc IS possible. And of course it is. I actually even like the "rules", even if I don't necessarily agree with some of the self proclaimed rules, I think the need to order is good. I don't know, I have only good things to say about Mavjade, Valairy Sctott, and even EHT. I think perhaps we should not be bitter. The only other solution I think would be to have a fan thread in the community for social and silly stuff. i'm sorry i think the thread was wonderful because it allowed us a sense of community when apparently elsewhere on the webs there is a lot of hostility. if they wanted different rules, they could have just tagged it on to the first post and alerted us and not shut the thread down. i'm especially especially dismayed about the whole no fanart thing. like that hurts people and clogs up the thread. what the fuck? who cares? who really cares? the only way i understand it is that the thread was becoming too big, like it moved too fast and this is a way of cutting down traffic and making it more mod-able. i really don't care, i loved its chaotic nature and i feel bereft. it was a good place and i don't think i'm alone with that. now we are scattered and the good stuff that happened i will miss because of where everyone is. i asked whether we could be involved in the process of the reorganisation and was told no. well, apparently FFG could be. interesting no? i think that is a very weird way of doing things. AND: the hostility elsewhere is very unlike the board that i used to frequent. now i feel like my specific opinion is targeted. i agree that our discussion is circular, fine, but that's the nature of the beast, that's not going to go away in the new thread either. you know, it's like they repossessed our home and now all we've got is ikea furniture pot noodle. ITA with this totally |
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Post by anneneville on Mar 25, 2016 15:00:12 GMT
What is the official policy on images here? What can we post and what can we not post? Can I post the hd gifs that I made in the last few days?
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Post by Rowan on Mar 25, 2016 15:03:44 GMT
Hi guys it's Rowan, I can't log in from work. Just wanted to let you know I got a friend's teasing PM at JCF notifying me that it's "game over" for Reylo because SW Rebels confirmed FinnRey. Apparently Kanan (jedi) told Hera (non jedi) "We will see each other again, I promise"
My reaction is MEH. But still fyi.
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Post by frared on Mar 25, 2016 15:10:01 GMT
anneneville i have a feeling we'll find out. post away.
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Post by frared on Mar 25, 2016 15:12:01 GMT
Hi guys it's Rowan, I can't log in from work. Just wanted to let you know I got a friend's teasing PM at JCF notifying me that it's "game over" for Reylo because SW Rebels confirmed FinnRey. Apparently Kanan (jedi) told Hera (non jedi) "We will see each other again, I promise" My reaction is MEH. But still fyi. it boggles my mind how people infer from this thing to something else so easily. |
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Post by spacebaby on Mar 25, 2016 15:14:21 GMT
Maybe we could index the old JCF Reylo thread (so we don't lose everything we've analysed since TFA's release) and start again in a place we could call "our own"? A place where we could keep our work safe? That's what came to my mind... I don't see myself contributing again to the 2.0 thread (as said before, enthusiasm = 0) and the idea of a Fan club on JCF doesn't really appeal to me :/ I would like help with this, because I enjoy rereading some of the good old posts |
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Post by cienaree on Mar 25, 2016 15:16:51 GMT
I haven't watched that much of Rebels but the Kanan/Hera relationship is completly different than the Finnrey one.For one they've known each other for a long time and there are hints of romance from both sides they just don't act on it while Finnrey is a newly established friendship where there's no indication Rey sees Finn as nannying but a friend.That could change but they shouldn't have friend zoned him in the first place plus it's more than likely that Finn will be spending time with Kelly Marie Tran's character who's probably his love interest.
I also agree that in general writers are afraid of writing complicated grey female characters which is why Isuspect we got Kylo show casting many feminine qualities vs Rey's masculine ones.On one hand it's good idea to show that mesh can be emotional,etc but on the other it's annoying that they wanted to make sure Rey's likable to the audience by making her way too lovable and innocent when she has the potential for much more.
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